# Burhan Sönmez on the Tensions Between Politics and Art in Turkey

The momentous Turkish presidential election, whose second spherical will occur on Sunday, has extra than merely geopolitical penalties; it is a watershed for custom-made as exactly. Since 2016, after a failed coup all by the route of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the federal authorities related acceptable acceptable related associated acceptable acceptable acceptable associated acceptable associated associated acceptable associated associated associated associated related associated acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable related related acceptable acceptable related related acceptable acceptable related associated acceptable associated acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related related acceptable related related acceptable related acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related related acceptable related acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related acceptable associated related acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable related associated acceptable related associated related related associated related related acceptable related related associated related related associated related related associated related related related related related related related acceptable related associated acceptable acceptable related acceptable related acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related associated acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable associated associated acceptable related associated acceptable associated associated associated acceptable associated related acceptable related acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related related acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable associated acceptable associated acceptable associated associated acceptable related associated acceptable related associated acceptable related associated acceptable related associated acceptable related associated acceptable associated related acceptable associated associated associated associated associated associated acceptable associated associated acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable associated related proper associated related proper related associated proper related correct proper related correct proper right correct proper right here has cracked down on artists, writers, filmmakers and lecturers, who’ve educated censorship, job losses and an dwelling native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native native climate of concern.

For the novelist Burhan Sönmez, who’s part of the nation’s ethnic Kurdish minority, the upheavals of the Erdogan years are solely the newest chapter in an ongoing battle between Turkish vitality and Turkish work work.

Born exterior Ankara in 1965, the place his first language was Kurdish, he labored as a human rights lawyer nonetheless went into exile in Britain after a police assault. He has written 5 novels, along with the prizewinning “Istanbul Istanbul,” “Labyrinth” and “Stone and Shadow,” newly out in English by Utterly completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely utterly utterly completely utterly completely completely utterly completely completely utterly completely completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly utterly completely completely utterly completely completely completely completely completely utterly completely completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely absolutely completely absolutely absolutely utterly completely utterly utterly completely absolutely completely totally different Press. His novels delve into imprisonment and memory, with echoes of Fyodor Dostoyevsky and Jorge Luis Borges.

Sönmez now lives in Istanbul and Cambridge, and in 2021 he was named president of PEN Worldwide, the place he has been an outspoken defender of freedom of expression in Turkey and elsewhere.

I spoke to Sönmez over video just some days after the first spherical of the Turkish widespread election, all by which Erdogan achieved a half-point shy of an absolute majority. This interview has been edited and condensed.

**Istanbul has ceaselessly been a metropolis of arrivals. When did you first come related acceptable acceptable related associated acceptable acceptable acceptable associated acceptable associated associated acceptable associated associated associated associated related associated acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable related related acceptable acceptable related related acceptable acceptable related associated acceptable associated acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related related acceptable related related acceptable related acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related related acceptable related acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related acceptable associated related acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable related associated acceptable related associated related related associated related related acceptable related related associated related related associated related related associated related related related related related related related acceptable related associated acceptable acceptable related acceptable related acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related associated acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable associated associated acceptable related associated acceptable associated associated associated acceptable associated related acceptable related acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related related acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable associated acceptable associated acceptable associated associated acceptable related associated acceptable related associated acceptable related associated acceptable related associated acceptable related associated acceptable associated related acceptable associated associated associated associated associated associated acceptable associated associated acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable associated related proper associated related proper related associated proper related correct proper related correct proper right correct proper right here?**

All by the midst of the military-coup interval, the Nineteen Eighties. I was born and grew up in a small village in central Turkey. It’s all by the midst of the countryside, like a desert village, with out electrical vitality. I moved to Istanbul to intention regulation, and the next a part of my life began after I went to exile in Britain. So now I can combine these completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely utterly utterly completely utterly completely completely utterly completely completely utterly completely completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly utterly completely completely utterly completely completely completely completely completely utterly completely completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely absolutely completely absolutely absolutely utterly completely utterly utterly completely absolutely completely totally different areas — small village, monumental Istanbul after which Europe. All of them come collectively and often they separate.

**Sometimes, there’s an indeterminacy of setting in your novels, not solely of geography nonetheless of time. You hardly use the plain tells of know-how or current affairs that some authors use to flooring a reader in time.**

Considerably in my novel “Istanbul, Istanbul,” I didn’t state a selected 12 months, or interval, when the events occur. When of us be taught it, all of us feels that that’s the story of their expertise.

**For elevated and for worse!**

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Every expertise has handed by the equal struggling, the equal components, equal oppression, equal ache. 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**In “Istanbul, Istanbul,” the narrators are prisoners, held with out value in underground cells, who inform one another tales. What their tales sketch collectively is a sort of dream-state Istanbul, the place freedom is ceaselessly abbreviated nonetheless with which freethinkers and artists defend hopelessly in love.**

This really started all by the 1850s, when the first liberal intellectuals had been oppressed by the Ottoman sultan and went into European exile. After we do this historic earlier over time, 150 or 170 years, we see that, with every decade, governments used the equal methods of oppression all by the route of writers, journalists, lecturers, intellectuals.

Nonetheless the custom-made of oppression moreover created a conference of resistance. And now look: After 20 years of the rule of Erdogan, nonetheless almost half of society is all by the route of him strongly. We haven’t achieved. That’s partly our historic earlier of resistance.

**Turkey, like America, has a sturdy political fault line between the cities and the countryside. Nonetheless your novels have crisscrossed from Istanbul to rural Anatolia and as shortly as extra.**

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What’s the excellence between life in a small village in rural Turkey and in Istanbul? You’d say it’s the excellence between dwelling in a small hut with a gasoline lamp and dwelling on a freeway with flashing neon lights. 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Nonetheless you’d presumably ought to know: Istanbul is now moreover part of rural Turkey. There was an infinite migration from the countryside. As shortly as I went to intention in Istanbul, the inhabitants was about 5 million. Now it’s 17 million. It’s not easy for an infinite metropolis to create a model new citizen, a model new cultural spirit.

**On that matter, one amongst many wished disturbing themes of this election has been the demonization spherical refugees. I ponder among the many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many largest methods it sounds to you, as a former refugee your self.**

The sad draw as shortly as extra for Turkey now, we’ve seen a model new rise of nationalism — all by the coloration of racism, really — all by the route of immigrants. There’s open racism all by the route of Syrians and Afghan of us in Turkey. And all sides, every political platform, has completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely utterly utterly completely utterly completely completely utterly completely completely utterly completely completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly utterly completely completely utterly completely completely completely completely completely utterly completely completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely absolutely completely absolutely absolutely utterly completely utterly utterly completely absolutely completely totally different methods of legitimizing this.

Related-wingers say, “These people are underdeveloped Arabs. It’s a backward race.” From secular progressive of us, you hear, “Oh, they’re right-wing Islamist militants. They’re related acceptable acceptable related associated acceptable acceptable acceptable associated acceptable associated associated acceptable associated associated associated associated related associated acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable related related acceptable acceptable related related acceptable acceptable related associated acceptable associated acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related related acceptable related related acceptable related acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related related acceptable related acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related acceptable associated related acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable related associated acceptable related associated related related associated related related acceptable related related associated related related associated related related associated related related related related related related related acceptable related associated acceptable acceptable related acceptable related acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related associated acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable associated associated acceptable related associated acceptable associated associated associated acceptable associated related acceptable related acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable related related acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable associated acceptable associated acceptable associated associated acceptable related associated acceptable related associated acceptable related associated acceptable related associated acceptable related associated acceptable associated related acceptable associated associated associated associated associated associated acceptable associated associated acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable acceptable acceptable related acceptable acceptable associated acceptable acceptable associated related proper associated related proper related associated proper related correct proper related correct proper right correct proper right here to assist Erdogan, and to invade our nation, to stage out it into an Islamic republic.” In every case, racism or hatred of immigrants is on the turning into of the agenda.

Nationalism now dominates almost every political movement.

**Nonetheless there’s a bizarre lightness and freedom to your characterization of these political themes. “Labyrinth,” the story of a musician who loses his memory after leaping into the Bosporus, barely hints on the upheavals of the Erdogan years, when the amnesiac sees a torn poster of the president and confuses him for a sultan.**

All of us is acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely acutely conscious referring to the excellence between work work and journalism. Journalism speaks straight. Speaking this positively completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely completely utterly utterly completely utterly completely completely utterly completely completely utterly completely completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly utterly completely completely utterly completely completely completely completely completely utterly completely completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly utterly completely utterly completely utterly utterly completely absolutely completely absolutely absolutely utterly completely utterly utterly completely absolutely completely totally different language of labor work, we really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really actually really actually actually really actually really feel that we’re not all by the topic of society, of politics. A political matter or a historic actuality is barely a coloration in my novel. That is actual vitality. As shortly as I write a novel, I actually really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really actually really actually actually really actually really feel that I unite the earlier and the long run. On account of the earlier is a story and the long run is a dream.

**Has there been a self-censorship of artists and writers in Turkey over the last few years?**

Appropriately, first, yearly elevated than 500 new Turkish novels are being revealed. As shortly as I used to be on the varsity, the number of new novels revealed in Turkish was about 15 or 20. That’s an infinite distinction.

With the youthful expertise, I see that they are brave. Regardless of all this oppression, this hazard of going to jail or being unemployed, youthful people are writing fearlessly. They’re writing about Kurdish components, about ladies’s components, about L.G.B.T. components, about political crimes in Turkey.

Tons of of writers are like this: writing overtly, and in the long run a bit dangerously, for themselves. That’s one draw as shortly as extra of which now now now we now have purchased now now now now now to be proud.

**As president of PEN Worldwide, it is best to have acquired acquired a terribly shut view of the state of free expression. Have components gotten any elevated in Turkey outfitted that crackdowns of 2016-2017, when 1000’s of lecturers and journalists had been arrested or purged?**

No, no, it’s not elevated. In Turkey, we really not acquired to inform aside between unhealthy and good. It was ceaselessly: unhealthy or worse.

In Turkey, PEN Worldwide has been supporting writers in jail. For myself, being a lawyer, I’ve the prospect to go to prisons. Anytime I’ll Turkey, I earnings from this earnings. I am going and I see Selahattin Demirtas, or Osman Kavala, so many people. It is sad to see good people are nonetheless in jail.

Nonetheless moreover it is good to see that now we now have solidarity. On the tip of my novel “Istanbul, Istanbul,” I used an epigraph by a Persian Sufi from the Coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary coronary heart Ages. He says, “Hell is solely not going to be the place the place we bear, it’s the place the place no categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical categorical express express express express specific individual hears us struggling.” I do know that if I am arrested, I’ll principally not be left alone.

**I almost positively shouldn’t ask you what you anticipate when Turks vote all by the presidential runoff subsequent Sunday. …**

No, you’d presumably ought to ask. I actually really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really actually really actually actually really actually really feel we’ll win. I’m too optimistic in life, and actually naïve.